Life post-Lipitor - an update

[Ray Holder]

I have no doubt at all that my Q10 is needed, just missing one of my three daily doses brings on the beginnings of angina, and with carnitine, I lose the strength in my back to hold myself upright, ( or as upright as I ever manage) if I don't take enough. I am experimenting with times and dose sizes of carnitine now, to find the best for whole day satisfactory capability.

But I am a lot weaker than most, and, living alone, with help for lunches, shopping, and housework, it takes very little to upset my apple cart.

I take the folic acid, Vits B6 and 12, plus betaine, on trust that Dr McMully knew his stuff, and was not in it for the money. I have had one stroke and am doing my best to avert another, but only time will tell.

Ray

[Darrell]

At this point I take Q10 on faith, although I have no doubt it was beneficial soon after I quit Zocor/Zetia. I continue Q10 because I suspect it was always borderline low.

My L-Carnitine is not taken on faith: if I skip it, my right leg pain returns promptly.

I have dropped all other supplements. I have also dropped 35 pounds so far this year. I feel the best I have in many years and my blood pressure has dropped from 120/80 to 105/65.

[Ray Holder]

Darrell
I expect that it is the Q10 which is keeping your BP at such a good level, by ensuring that your heart has full access to its energy supply. The dose which I take has been set mainly by keeping my BP within reasonable limits, allowing me to make do with only one of the 3 BP meds which I took before I started Q10.

Glad to hear you are doing so well.

Ray

[Brian C.]

OK, nearly 21 months since stopping the poison after 17 years use.
Spirits are good but have developed a propensity for arterial spasms in the last couple of months. I now take my nitro spray with me everywhere and keep it to hand by my bed since I sometimes "enjoy" a prolonged bout of spasm a while after retiring. I now see myself as dependent on this spray and would be fearful of being deprived of it.

Anything that increases my heart rate can trigger it too, from bending down to pick things up to meeting a hero from my youth. Sometimes typing a reply to a forum posting triggers it :roll:

Some days are better than others of course, I think this is the common experience here.

Brian.

[Allen1]

Hi there Brian,

sorry to see you are depending on your spray more lately. I don't know if you are on Isosorbide Mononitrate tablets ie 1 in the morning and another in the afternoon, but if not then I would see your doc and tell him about your increased usage of the spray and he may add something along those lines to assist.

Since the bypass and after I came off statins I mainly just need the spray if my upper back/chest gets chilled or if I need to do shopping or anything that requires a little exertion which includes walking any distance, otherwise I tend not to use it but still carry it around just in case.

This flu is a right pain in the butt, try to keep away from anyone with it if you can ok.

All the best mate,

Allen

[Brian C.]

Thanks Allen but I try not to see my doctor these days, nice chap as he is.
I think the tablets you refer to perform as slow release nitro, yes?

Brian

[Allen1]

Hi there Brian,

I don't know if mine are slow release ones (no mention on the insert) but you take one around 7am then another around 2pm. Like everything else though, they also can have side effects, sometimes I forget the afternoon tablet, and so far no unusual feelings have occurred to my knowledge.

The reason I mentioned them was because they do what the spray does ie open up your blood vessels in your heart muscle, and is used for preventing angina pain. As a daily medication it may put less stress on your heart than treating the problem when it has already begun.

When we look at the medication that we are on, its frightening to see just how many "Statin" type side effects they also can cause, I wouldn't be that surprised if some of the problems have kept going through the use of other medications or even if the other medication is the instigator of some of them. I know for sure it was Zocor that has done my memory in and 95% sure it is responsible for everything else.

Take care Brian, if it doesn't improve soon then please get it checked out and make your doctor earn his money

All the best,

Allen

[Biologist]

Brian,

I recently finished "The Floride Deception" by Christopher Bryson:

**http://www.amazon.com/Fluoride-Deception-Christopher-Bryson/dp/1583227008/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/183-8351609-9971963?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230367200&sr=8-1

I am sure you would find it interesting. If you read it, I am curious about whether you think Kehoe and/or Hodge where sociopaths.

There are some similarities between floride poisoning and statin poisioning. Seems like I read recently that your part of the world is starting to add it to the water too these days. Not good. Another bad habit complements of the good old USA I'm afraid. Sorry about this one too...

Biologist

[Biologist]

"Fluoride" is the proper spelling.

Bioloigst

[Brian C.]

OK, duly ordered. I see sociopaths as individuals within the sphere of influence of true psychopths, of which we can expect many in military, corporate and political structures.

Have you read "Political Ponerology (A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes)" yet?

*http://www.amazon.com/Political-Ponerology-Science-Adjusted-Purposes/dp/1897244258/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230380573&sr=1-1


Brian.

[Biologist]

Ordered.

I read this one earlier this year as recommended by Dr. Eades on his website:

**http://www.amazon.com/Sociopath-Next-Door-Martha-Stout/dp/0767915828/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230397430&sr=8-1

This new one looks a bit more "heavy duty."

Biologist

[Brian C.]

Yes, the Łobachewski book is a bit hard going. It was originally written in Polish as a record of work carried out surreptitiously by a group of Polish psychiatrists summarizing their clinical observations of both their patients and of servants of the post-WWII régime. Worth persevering with because it is a unique and particularly valuable document that was very nearly lost.

Dr Łobachewski died only very recently.

Brian.

[Biologist]

I look forward to it.

Biologist

[Biologist]

Hey, Brian, is this what Dr. Graveline means to say?

"Other specialists closely involved with the Enhance study, which compared Vytorin with Zocor, still wonder why the excess cholesterol lowering resulting from Vytorin use with its added Zetia did not translate into plaque protection? A group of other specialists that had their hearts set on an HDL lowering drug now doubt the relevance of HDL. Their new drug did nothing more than cost millions only to result in greatly increased heart attacks rates rather than decreased. We thought we understood cholesterol's role in cardiovascular disease and now we realize that Ancel Key's Bible of cholesterol causation was false."

Found here:

http://spacedoc.net/spacedoc_statin_beanstalk and on the main page under "Spacedoc and the Statin Beanstalk"

HDL lowering drug or HDL RAISING drug? Are you aware of a study that was attempting to LOWER HDL?

Thanks.

BTW, I also read the following over the last few weeks:

**http://www.amazon.com/Overdosed-America-Promise-American-Medicine/dp/0061344761/ref=sr_1_1/189-6536396-7531161?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230417023&sr=1-1

**http://www.amazon.com/Selling-Sickness-Pharmaceutical-Companies-Patients/dp/156025856X/ref=sr_1_2/190-8077677-7148946?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230417062&sr=1-2

**http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Drug-Companies-Deceive/dp/0375760946/ref=sr_1_1/178-7384556-1724405?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230417148&sr=1-1

This last one is by Marcia Angell, M.D. former editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine. Very powerful and condemning. She says doctors can no longer blindly rely on the NEJM or JAMA or most of the others due to the propoganda factor. All the works are very revealing.

On the upside, there is a new and growing formal membership organization of med school students across America that openly denouce drug company involvement in their education and professional lives. So word is getting out. More existing doctors are catching on and adapting to reality. For other prescribing doctors, "plausable deniability" is starting to evaporate as the situation becomes a matter of common knowledge. Social and professional pressures will be growing more quickly now and in the future. I believe successful law suits against individual physicians are around the corner. Openly relying on bogus research ain't gonna be cutting it much longer.

Biologist

[Brian C.]

Well, we've certainly entered an era of great change - to put it mildly.
Quite frankly the World we know is passing away so anything and everything can happen - including a revolution in medicinal practice.

What's the market for statins like in China?

[Biologist]

Brian, I agree with you about the changes coming -- they have already started in a big way, as you know.

On top of everything else (of a political nature), it appears the scientists are apologizing now and saying they were wrong about global warming. Not that the skeptics/liars were in anyway right. It is coming much faster than they thought it would. Particularly worring is that Al Gore, "apparently" (as I have not seen his film but have been following global warming for many years) has NOT mentioned a/the major problem which is the melting of Siberian tundras releasing methane. That may dwarf other causes of temperature increases. I am sure he is aware of the issue, and must have decided to leave it out of the equation on purpose to discourage a feeling of futility. Could be wrong, but that is my concern.

It is looking like Ray and Dr. Graveline and others may have picked the exact right time in history to be born! Most of us on this forum are likely not to make it, so to speak. But who knows?

"Political Ponerology" is tough reading, I will have to do it twice. The first reading is just to learn his language usage and style. It will be an iterative process to glean as much as I can. Interesting that Zbigniew Brzezinski was apparently involved in trying to suppress its publication per one of the editor's comments.

On your other recommendation, "The Shock Doctrine" I have noticed commentators on TV allude to it. I get the impression that most all of Washington and our major reporters and "talking heads" have read that book. If you have not read it, this is another one that appears to fit that bill. Just like the author says, maybe something to it, maybe not:

**http://www.amazon.com/New-Pearl-Harbor-Disturbing-Administration/dp/1566565529/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/184-7130801-5941053?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231102632&sr=8-1

I don't worry to much about things. If God does exist, we would have to invent him. In other words, all religions may easily all be wrong, but that does not preclude the posibility of an existence after death. It's sure no less likely than life itself. With Steven Hawkins recently paying up on a bet that he agrees he lost, it all becomes more tenable on a basis of physics (theoretical as it may be). He now agrees that information can not be destroyed, even in a black hole. Information is where it's at. It may not be the true psychopaths who have to worry so much, it may be their sane followers and enablers. For reasons that may only make sense to me, Injustice may turnout to be the only true deadly sin. Maybe we will see. In the mean time, we'll keep doing good.

Biologist

[Brian C.]

The sun is at it quietest for nearly a Century, when it should be a time of sun-spot activity. In the past such episodes were prelude to eras of cooling here on Earth. Such changes occur rapidly and are outside the dominion of man.

Hawking is on his own event horizon. The whole basis of his brand of "physics religion" has been shown to be built on errors dating back over ninety years. The physics of the 21st Century will be quite different.
No Big Bang, no Black Holes, no medieval conjecture about mysterious "dark matter".
And all without strings

To get back to the original subject of this thread I have discovered that I have been suffering from a lack of d-ribose! I didn't take any during December and have been paying for it. Now I have resumed at 5g a day I feel better and will be increasing to a therapeutic dose of 15g daily.

Still got a way to go. Much to learn.

Brian.

[cjbrooksjc]

D-Ribose? Interesting... how did you make that discovery?

Brooks

[Brian C.]

Mention of d-ribose here:

CFS is Low Output Heart Failure Secondary to Mitochondrial Failure

*http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=381

I intend to have the blood tests that Dr Myhill describes performed in a couple of months time, when the weather gets warmer. I don't go anywhere in the Winter.

Brian.

[cjbrooksjc]

Thanks Brian. I had read this piece before but lost my link to it. It really is a concise and applicable explanation of what's happened to us (our mitochondria) internally. I would recommend everyone read this link content. I particularly like the simple language explanations such as I include below:

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Energy is produced when ATP (three phosphates) is converted into ADP (two phosphates) by the mitochondria. ADP is then re-cycled back through mitochondria to create more ATP for future energy production.

However, if the cell is pushed when there is no ATP about, then it will start to use ADP instead. The body can create energy from ADP but the remaining result is AMP (one phosphate), and the trouble is that AMP cannot be re-cycled. The only way that ADP can be regenerated is by making from fresh ingredients, but this takes days to do. This explains the delayed fatigue seen in chronic fatigue syndrome.

And now for a bit of good news! You will have read that AMP cannot be recycled. Actually, AMP can be recycled, but it happens very slowly. For practical purposes for patients who are very fatigued, this recycling is so slow that it is clinically insignificant. Interestingly, the enzyme which facilitates this recycling ("cyclic AMP") is activated by caffeine! So the perfect pick-me-up for CFS sufferers could be a real black organic coffee with a teaspoon of D-ribose!

All the molecules involved in mitochondrial function are re-cycled. There is another essential element which is magnesium. If you think of glucose and short chain fatty acids as the fuel of the engine, acetyl L-carnitine and Co-enzyme Q10 are the oil and magnesium is the spark plug!

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Reference is also made to Dr. Sinatra's published works which I also recommend highly.

Thanks for posting this.

Best regards,

Brooks